I wholeheartedly agree with Kim’s comments on this film about it painting a very bleak and almost hopeless future, but I would disagree that there are no “YES” gates in sight for many in the environmental movement or the Greens.  One such “YES” gate has a light shining on the gateposts of something called the Transition Movement that calls for “energy descent action plans” and for social justice and human rights, and re-localisation among other things.  This initiative has started in Tasmania and is gaining ground in many different groups with the conversations starting around envisaging our future as we would want it to be and coming up with plans on how we are going to get there.

The fact is that “Humanity” has a future as even with a collapse of our global civilisation humanity will survive in small pockets (or even larger ones in favourable areas such as Tasmania).  It is up to us to determine at what level this “survival” finds us in the future.

If we do not like the world “The Age of Stupid” shows us in 2055, what do we want to see, how do we want to be living?  This will allow us to step backward on how to get there.  And those are the questions we all need to be asking ourselves, what are our next steps that will deliver the world we want our children to inhabit in 50 years.

Great news Corey. I’d love to see more on what you suggest.

Our situation with global heating is like entering a great war and the question that we need to consider is, what will deliver victory on this global battlefield?

We have begun a new front with space development and I suggest that our victory lies in securing a sustainable presence beyond Earth, to ensure our survival in a dangerous old Universe and place ourselves in a confident position to work toward delivering a sustainable human presence on Earth.

As we work on the space front, we can also work on Earth issues, but if we lose the space front, our children may curse the dust that we were made of for allowing us to become trapped on a desert island in space. That could be the most demoralising future of all, to know that they could have inherited the stars, but instead inherited dust.

I suggest that the future of an Earth and space vision rests in the hands of each individual. We may need to decide: do we want unlimited opportunity beyond Earth, or risk being trapped in a post-collapse society on Earth?

I am concerned that our window of opportunity for space may be narrow, should global heating bite too deeply into the fundamentals of our global society and initiate the collapse sequence.

Kim Peart

Kim,

See my comments on this film on Peter Boyer’s website: http://climatetasmania.com.au/2009/08/22/t009/comment-page-1/#comment-547

The film has a good purpose, but not without its risks.

And thanks for the good review.

like ... whats new Kimmy

John latham

Technology’s gonna save us all!  And we’re all gonna to move to another planet! 
That’s a joke….right?

Re: Comment 5.

Technology is not going to save us. It is what we do with technology that will make the difference. We cannot return to an earlier time. That is history. We cannot solve our present crisis by sitting on our hands. That would be suicide. Our only way forward is to work toward a society that will survive. The political dynamic we have is such that it could lead us into a box canyon of collective demise and be another form of suicide, by not seeing exactly what needs to happen and not being able to act effectively with multiple political constraints. In the age of democracy, I wonder if it will be in the hands of each individual to make a solution work that will ensure our survival. After a long search through environmental views, indigenous wisdom and the roots of evolution, I have come to see that only be securing a sustainable presence beyond Earth, and ensuring our survival, will we be in a position to deliver a sustainable human presence on Earth. By focusing on the Earth alone, I see no solution to the problem of achieving an ecologically sustainable society living a globally equitable lifestyle (Charles Birch, ‘Confronting the Future’ 1975, revised in 1993). Only when I consider our situation in the Solar System as a whole do I see working solutions that we are now in a position to make happen. Geoengineering is now on the cards to cool the Earth. What is the better option, Sulphur in the atmosphere that cannot be adjusted, or an adjustable sunshade in space (‘Geoengineering the Climate’, Royal Socierty, Britain, 2009). With the Earth now 25 per cent hotter than at the dawn of life 3.5 billion years ago and steadily getting hotter, future survival on Earth could do with a sunshade in space. James Lovelock has warned that the current global heating could become a transition to a permanently hotter Earth because of the steadily warming Sun and an Earth that will not be very hospitable for humanity.  A space sunshade is a technological solution. The technology will not do it for us. We decide when and how to use it, unless we choose to roll over and let politicians and corporations make all the decisions and see what happens and get upset and have a big fight and ..... If we wake up, we can get ahead of the game and use technology to deliver the most amazing future for all Earth’s children, on Earth and beyond. It is our choice.

Kim Peart

And is technology going to solve the problem of feeding 9 billion people?  And replacing the water from the drained aquifers?  And replacing the eroded topsoil?  And somehow miraculously replenishing the fisheries that have been overfished to the point of no return? etc etc

Even if we could “fix” climate change, there ain’t no getting away from the fact that we have grossly overshot the carrying capacity of the earth, and there isn’t going to be a technological solution to that.  Certainly not one that involves us flying off to “boldly go where no man has gone before”.

Re: Comment 7

Technology is only a tool, like an axe, which we can use to cut down a tree to build a house, or cut down a million trees and change the climate. It is the user of the tool that makes the choice of what to do. Technology is not going to solve any problem. How any technology is used can help to solve a problem that we have made a decision about.

If we decide to let go of jet aircraft and become a slower society with airships, that is a choice we will make. Such a transition in transport may happen if it makes sense as part of an overall vision.

Beyond the Liberty Line (a sustainable presence in space), the amazing wealth of the Solar System is essentially free. It will be our choice to allow corporate cats to get fat on that, or look to the wealth of space to be used for the health and creative opportunities of all Earth children. This will be our choice.

Automated factories in space could also produce food that is sent Earth-side in recyclable shuttle craft on one way trips. This need not be necessary, if we make the choice to reduce Earth’s human population, but in a slower, gentler life-style, numbers could still be quite high and I believe enough food could be grown on Earth.

In space, however, human numbers may come to be greater than Earth’s present population. A special permit may be needed then to visit Earth.

I have explored these matters in my 2006 article ‘Creating A Solar Civilization’, which can be found on an Italian web site. I am currently upgrading this with more recent research and observations.

While we have all our eggs in one nest, we are in grave danger of ending up with a nest full of rotten eggs, seeing the nest fall apart and break our silly necks in a fall from the evolutionary tree.

We now have the technology to build a civilization that includes Earth and space. I suggest that our survival depends on our making a giant leap to achieving this. It is not the technology that will make that decision. In the age of democracy it is the ordinary people of Earth who may wake up to this prospect and move in this direction. Governments and corporations will follow where the people lead. It is people who will make the decision about what is best to do, when they have all the facts to consider.

Kim Peart

Kim wrote; “We now have the technology to build a civilization that includes Earth and space. I suggest that our survival depends on our making a giant leap to achieving this.” Well I think that’s far from correct Kim. We have sone technology sure. But we are very far from technological mastery of our environment nor of a sufficient source of energy on the scales required to create the fantasy world you seem to envisage. I think mankind will struggle 100 years hence to even maintain the technologies required for solar cell and semiconductor production let alone moving out into the solar system!
Sam Powrie.

“Technology is only a tool, like an axe, which we can use to cut down a tree to build a house, or cut down a million trees and change the climate.” THAT, is the bit you don’t understand Kim…

BECAUSE we are already in overshoot, we now NEED to cut down the million trees to build the millions of new houses needed every day to house all the new hungry hordes….

The best technology we could come up with now is the one that makes us all infertile!

Hello, Planet Earth to Kim Heist (sister to Raymond); I’m no expert (and most who claim they are just making an ‘educated’ quess; but isn’t that just atypical of the ‘earth is flat’ technocrats of the past) ...  but at the big bang - when all matter was a mixture - surely everything was hotter (hence the dense water particulars that eventually fell to earth as they cooled) and then the oceans ‘formed’ and became heat sinks circulation the earth influencing weather pattern / seasonal patterns ? So how did you arrive at 25% hotter ?

I’m not disagreeing that we humans are making things hotter (burning 86 million barrels of oil, million of tonnes of coal, millions of cubic metres of gas and sundry forest burnoffs etc a day) ... but do you really believe technology will save the day ?

It is profoundly disappointing to read someone so articulate expound such a Disneyland solution; have you no comprehension of the energy costs to send a small vessel into space with a select few ... do you really believe that (the vast majority of) people who don’t want to live in another suburb, state, region or country would willingly go to an as yet undiscovered navarna albeit a vacuum ? No warmth of Sun, a cool breeze or just clean up the mess we made ?

You are obviously young and have a throw-away mentality ... and believe you can exploit mother earth and strip it of all the goodness that sustained all your forebears and move on ...

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    It may be that in the future there will be cities in and on the sea ! there is adequate water, it only has to be desalinated !

     
      It may well be that in the future there will be satellite cities orbiting the earth should we run out of room , not certain about the water ! one would need a bloody long hose !     
      Finding a habitable planet is highly unlikely, for the nearest they know of is many millions of light years away , so even should we attain the speed of light ! and then exceed it !  we start going back in time , which for me will be most acceptable as I can see myself in Victorian times, somewhere like Entally house ,  master of all I survey ! 
 
    Now !  pull off those boots woman ! and bring me my pipe !  Ahhh ! there’s a good girl !
             
                sigh,
                  d.d.

I have a theory ! they say that the dinosaurs were the most prolific animal on this planet and were around for Millions upon millions of years and that they were wiped out by the landing of some gigantic meteorite many years ago.

  Consider this ! perhaps they too ! stuffed up for instance ! we know that they were (egg layers) as are birds , and being so, they become so prolific that over those millions of years, they ate themselves out of existence, leaving no trees or foliage ! this could be born out in that the last of them to survive were meat eaters and so they killed each other off (as did the human inhabitants of Easter island) leaving the more mobile and small hard to catch burrowing animals to take over, so consequently there started new vegetation ! another clue to this is that very little of the type of vegetation that occurred in those times does so now !
   
    That’s my theory ! cos i reckon it makes more sense !

    No denying a meteorite did land which may or may not have closed the chapter , but I don’t reckon it was the cause.

                    d.d.

Re: Comment 9

If in 1909 I were to describe the events and developments of the next 100 years, not only would some of what I describe be hard to grasp, like the atomic bomb and the internet, but I could be accused of talking fantasy land when I got to the emergence of robotics. Our challenge, unless we prefer bars of numbness within a cage of fear, is to consider what could happen on the basis of today’s technology and consider how this may play out in the next 100 years. A major war, like World War Two, has proven to be a fierce incubator of innovation and change. Our challenge with global heating may prove to be such an incubator. Like the British in 1940, our survival could be on the line and the rapid melting of the Arctic is a sign that change is happening, that the World is getting hotter and even more rapid changes could be on the way. We may go under like the British could have in 1940, or we will decide to fight for our survival. If survival includes a sunshade in space to cool the Earth and solar power stations in space to cut CO2 emissions, we now have the technology to do this and not just by rockets. There are other ways of delivering freight from Earth into space under development, such as the magnetic sled, which can be seen on the Youtube for the Space Sunshade. Once industry is established in space and self-sufficient of Earth, the pace of the future will skyrocket. We can wait for all this to arrive and be amazed, or we can find out what is happening and elbow our way to the table to have a say for better outcomes, including a healthy Earth and an end to poverty. The looming war to fight global heating could prove to be a giant leap into the future with many twists and turns. In 1909 if I were to tell you, if you can imagine it, it could happen.  Much more has happen than could have been imagined in 1909. What is different in 2009?

Re: Comment 10

Education has proven to be the most effective contraceptive. Though the Earth’s population will continue to rise, by the end of this century human numbers will be on the decline (‘The Next 100 Years’, George Friedman, 2009, p.8). On Earth and in space it is a simple projection to suggest that humans will be in partnership with robots on an ever-increasing basis. I wonder if people will choose the option of living in space cities, when they can be built. The South Korean competition to send an astronaut to the International Space Station attracted 34,000 entries. Looking at the track record of human expansion, it is possible that in time there could be more people living in cities throughout the Solar System than now live on Earth. Such a future may be hard to imagine, but, look at a large shopping centre and how many people flock to them. Such places could be anywhere in the Solar System.

Re: Comment 11

Thanks for the compliment that I am “obviously young”. At age 57, I could use heaps more of them. In a comment above I point out that there will be more ways of going into space than by rocket, so the cost will be different. In the civilization that includes the whole Solar System, along with the Earth, I imagine full recycling and no waste. In fact, we will need to develop ways to clean up all our trash in space that is a threat to activities above. I strongly suggest that there will not be a large need for many humans in space in the early stages, as robots and remote control will serve well in the establishing stages. I am concerned about problems on Earth and if I had any say, I would direct our automated factory, whether on Earth or in space, to develop and produce junk cleaning robots that can clean up all the trash in the oceans. Where the cost of such machines can become free beyond securing a sustainable presence in space, where no further resources will be needed from Earth, we may even design a batch of robots to deal with weeds, like boneseed and I have pulled out a lot of boneseed in my bushcare activities in Tasmania. Technology will not solve our problems. Like an axe, technology is only a tool - we decide what to do with the tool.

In ‘The Vanishing Face of Gaia’ James Lovelock reports that the Sun has warmed 25% since the dawn of life 3.5 billion years ago, page 108. This is well-known information. The time will come many millions of years in the future, if we are still around, when humans must move on from the Earth as the Sun gets hotter and evaporates all the oceans. Until then, a sunshade in space will help to keep the Earth cooler for longer.

Kim Peart

Re: Comment 12

In the early stages water could be sent into space by the magnetic sled transport system. Later water would be accessed from around the Solar System. The hunt is now on to find water on the Moon.

Re: Comment 13

Though it has been widely believed that a meteor ended the reign of the dinosaurs and one monster certainly did hit the Earth 65 million years ago, I have been reading recent reports that the real killer of the giant lizards could have been a global heating event a little while later. Over the history of Earth there has been a consistent cycle of global heating and then ice ages. This could be the result of the Earth systems struggling to adjust to a steadily warming Sun. The current rapid heating is the result of human activity and could deliver a repeat of past events, where there has been a huge die-off of life when the oceans die and poison the air. Recovery takes millions of years, but Lovelock warns that this could become a permanent hotter phase.

Kim Peart

Kim ! I am and have always been a believer in the science of man over just about anything else, because my generation has seen more discovery and technological advance than any other in the history of man, however we have come to an impasse in regards to space travel as depicted by “Star Trek” and other such T.V. shows and that is speed of travel !

    In order for us to be able to travel and inhabit other worlds , we then have to EXCEED THE SPEED OF LIGHT ! which to us is TIME ITSELF and should we achieve that scenario, then we DO indeed have “TIME TRAVEL” which will enable us to go back and visit deceased loved ones , perhaps a holiday to a VIRTUAL jurassic park ! so on, and so on, the thoughts of what one could do are endless but alas ! from Orville Wright and his brother until this day, there have been some fantastic changes and discovery ,but humanity is now fast running out of things to conquer and visiting new worlds is one of them.

    Of course we will try and that will mean generations of humans spending their lives aboard a spaceship and perhaps one day future generations of them may find somewhere to inhabit and how in blazes will that have any effect on those who remain !  and should they inhabit this new place, and then after millions of years have past,they may decide to do the same , seems like an exercise in futility to me.

  Space travel is a huge junket and an entire waste of money and resource , that could be much better spent exploring the depths of the sea and the place on which we NOW live improving our lot here ! where it matters.
                    d.d.

Re: Comment 16

We can do 10 million times more on Earth than we have ever done, but unless we organise for our basic survival, we could end up doing nothing more and proving what a waste of space we have become. After delving deeply into sustainability and equity issues, I could not find a story that worked with Earth alone, particularly because of the political dynamic and the nature of human society. Only when I became open to the prospect of expanding beyond Earth did all the pieces fall into place and then I could tell a story about human futures that at least convinced me. I wrote of this in my 2006 article ‘Creating A Solar Civilization’, which can be found on an Italian web site:

http://www.tdf.it/2006/2/peart_eng.htm

In this article I explore how we may step to a new level of awareness by expanding into space, simply to ensure our survival. I suggest that the cities and habitats in space, scattered throughout the Solar System, will have an Earth gravity, generated by centrifugal force (rotation - like the space station in 2001: A Space Odyssey). I also suggest that robot probes will be able to spread out among the stars much faster than any human expansion, by today’s technology and without discovering a way to travel faster than light. Communities accustomed to living in space cities would be accustomed to the style and would not fear deep space with a migration to the stars that could last many generations, but they would need to be a mature society simply to survive such a journey.

The critical question then for our survival on Earth and in space, could be how we will wake up from our present juvenile stage of war-like behaviour that is hooked on excitement, to become a mature, cultured and truly civilised species. Like a butterfly breaking free of the chrysalis to fly in all its beauty, this may be via the struggle to ensure our future and survival by expanding into space.

I am currently revising and improving this article with subsequent research, observations and insights.

Kim Peart

Kim, your writing suggests (screams out) you are a dreamer ... the ‘awareness’ you look off towards indicates a childish happy ending ...

Its good that you are revising and (sic) intend to improve your article/s and hopefully with accurate research rather than fiction writers.

At the end of the day, we - as a small and insignificant bit player in the Universe - have a set life span. We rely on the fruits of other peoples labour - provided by the Universe at some expense - to buy food which our body turns into energy and shit. 

The only thing that transcends our set lifecycle on the physical plain is our minds imagination, which however much we may want stuff, has limits; limits being physical and always costing energy.

We are still unable to harness that energy and ‘great human spirit’ to feed the starving masses. You know why ? Because humans are in plague proportions on Earth and just as maggots muliply to gorge on rotting flesh, as soon as the carcass is gone, so too are the maggots.

Want a specific - human - example then ?
Ethiopia is sometimes cited as one of the first great civilisations (about 5,000 years ago); some 20 years ago they had massive famines and the world banded together to send them food. The population the was about 40 million; they changed their farming practices and worked more with nature and yet they see another famine about to happen ... blame it on global warming, rising fuel (energy costs), depleted fertility in the soil, poor rainfall or is it really that there are too many Ethiopians now that there are 80 million of them ... ?

Sadly, you are a deluded individual; I’d suggest you are over-weight and if you do have a job (but probably don’t), it is menial ...

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  ” Sadly, you are a deluded individual; I’d suggest you are over-weight and if you do have a job (but probably don’t), it is menial ...
Posted by Daniel Boon on 09/09/09 at 09:50 AM”

  Daniel Boon !  that particular statement had bonham written all over it , with it’s nasty ,gutless, cowardly personal remarks, 
    Christ ! you are a nasty son of a bitch ! I would like five minutes alone with you !  it would certainly make my day , you goddamn cretin.

                d.d.
P.S. is this what T.T is coming to ,“Linz”

Re: Comment 18

I wonder if it is possible for enough people on this planet to focus on identifying working solutions to the problems we face, which in some quarters is described as a perfect storm, an ocean wave of crisis about to break upon us. If a meteor was found in space that we determined would hit the Earth in 30 years time, large enough to finish us all off, then it is predictable that in the face of a common threat all differences would be put aside in solving this problem. From all I read we do have a catastrophe hurtling toward us, with global heating, but because it is happening slowly, we are slow to wake up to the threat. When the catastrophe is upon us we may wake up, but then it may be too late. What I write of may not be the exact solution, but unless we are prepared to put the thinking caps on and start to nut out some answers, our reactions and inaction may be no better and no worse than collective suicide. If we can overcome such defeatism, which I hear so frequently it is way past a joke, we can get fiercely keen in seeking solutions that will deliver the best of all Worlds, on Earth and beyond the Earthly nest.

Re: Comment 19

Thanks.

Kim Peart

I see that Don Davey, who has persistently falsely accused me of posting under false names alongside other incorrect abuse, has the hide and the utter hypocrisy to slam another poster for “nasty ,gutless, cowardly personal remarks” and suggest those remarks had me all over them.

Don, can you substantiate your slur against me with even one single example of me making assertions about a poster’s weight?  Or even one single example of me baiting a poster with suggestions they are unemployed?  I do not make and do not at all condone such kinds of attacks.  If anything, the latter type of slur is more often used by my opponents on various forums.

Don, please stop taking my name in vain by ranting about me on threads I am not posting on and making false personal attacks in the process.  If you continue this practice I will be having a word to the site owner about you.

Dear Don,
I’m in Queensland and you - I gather - are in Tasmaina, so regretfully I am unable to give you 5 minutes (to kick your sorry excuse for behind) ...

I looked up bonham in the Dictionary, but its not there, so I looked it up in the Pictionary and saw a poor excuse for a man (the sort that gives men in general a bad name) that must be you ...  and just because your a mongrel doesn’t mean that everying else came from a bitch ... very un-Australian and very much American; so you’d be a spetic tank I take it ?

As to Kim’s post; Sheeple are largely stupid, we explote until there is nothing left and then move on. Problem is there are too many of us and rather than a meteorite, it is our impact - due to th speed we devour all resiources before us - that will drive us into the wall of extinction ... maybe a few million will survive, but they will more like be those who can survive by living off the land ...

Re: Comment 21

Concerning the documentary-drama ‘The Age of Stupid’, will it be possible to make a giant leap beyond the claim of the documentary that we are currently being stupid in our behaviour with the Earth, with each other and with the heritage of our descendants? It will certainly call for a very large-hearted vision to make such a leap and focus the will and attention of enough people around the World in achieving a healthy Earthly environment and delivering a healthy and creative life for all Earth’s children. Having undertaken a long journey of investigation in this field, I came to see that we will need to secure a sustainable presence beyond the Earthly nest, as part of and to be able to deliver a sustainable human presence on Earth. This suggestion has ruffled many feathers and so it should be with such a drastic change in our thinking, but if I am correct in my conclusions, then our future survival depends on what I suggest. I see no other approach currently working, only a deepening of the quagmire into which we are sinking. If we can awaken and follow the trail of questions, we should find the answers we need to work with. It is when we stop asking questions that we may find ourselves locked into ‘The Age of Stupid’ and fulfil the prophesy of the documentary.

Kim Peart

Kim , I too would hope that what you suggest could come about and maybe in a few thousand years (although I doubt it) we may find a way to defeat the time barrier because as depicted in all science fiction television shows they have done “just that”  however “science” (as of this time) haven’t even begun to fathom that problem , and one day when an inanimate object is shown to disappear and reappear 10 feet away instantly, that is when they may be on the right track , having said ! if that came about , to duplicate that scenario with living matter (humans) will be an entirely different ball game.
              Ciao
                  d.d.

I agree with everything that Dr Kevin Bonham has said here in #20, and on a great many other threads, about Don Davey’s behaviour.

But I have to say that this latest example from Don at #19 is fucking appalling. Not to mention the responses that Don is now receiving from other posters such as #20.

Davey hasn’t so much crossed the line, as launched himself across it with a catapault, and I think the editor should ban him immediately.

regards,
Jason Lovell

PS I am now waiting for Don to accuse me of being:
1) Dr Bonham, or
2) A Forestry/Pulp Mill stooge.
which will having me laughing my arse off, because I hate that bastard pulp mill.

Ban Davey, Linz. At once. FFS. That last piece of shit is unacceptable.

After reading all these comments, how could anyone not believe this is, indeed, the age of stupid…  Goodbye.

Ahhhhhh !  Jason Lovell from way back in the early days , when I first started on T.T.  at which time I seem to remember asking if he knew MANY of the Lovells from the Huon whom I knew very, very, well , i having been born and bred in the area.
 
  He never bothered to answer ,but not long after disappeared only to once more return and reaffirm his sycophant behaviour upon all things bonham, as did Tomas and a couple of others that hung on bonhams every word.

  Well ! people here now days are more concerned as to what is happening to our state rather than bonhams nose has been pulled out of joint,  so lovell, bonham , tomas,  can rant all they want , because folk nowadays are more informed.

  Ohhhh ! and daniel ! from Queensland which is utter (bullshit) did i leave you out tsk.tsk.

                   
                    ciao
                      d.d.

As an addendum to post (27)in regards to (19) jason lovell !  perhaps it was you that wrote that appalling drivel i was so incensed about and if so my remarks still stand.
                have a nice day !
                      d.d.

Hey Don ... if I confess to being Daniel Boon, will you apologise to Kevin Bonham and pledge not to threaten other posters with physical violence ever again?

Regards,
Jason Lovell

Hey Don ... if I confess to being Jason Lovell, will you apologise to Kevin Bonham and pledge not to threaten other posters with physical violence ever again?

Regards,
Daniel Boon

29 @ 30.
      Whenever you guy’s ,whomever you are ! find the ball’s to post openly and under your own names , I will respond to you ! otherwise you are of no use to yourselves and have nothing of value to add to debate.

      Linz now informs me that you “Jason” are indeed a real person, and I have no reason to dispute his word, so my question is to you , just what is your beef with me ?

      Come on , speak up !
                        d.d.

Are you talking to me or Jason ?

As to adding value to the debate .. what debate ... whether you’re a tosser ? That’s already clearly established, as is your having nothing of value to add ...

My beef with you Don?

Well, you sum it up yourself in comment #19 and comment #31, where you threaten another poster with violence because of what someone else has said(#19), and then you admit you might have been wrong all along about the identity of the anonymous poster, but proudly assert that “if so, my remarks still stand”(#31).

Those two comments give a clear example of something that I’ve believed for some time now - Don, you are a loose cannon;

“The expression “loose cannon” ... refers to an irresponsible and reckless individual whose behaviour (either intended or unintended) endangers the group he or she belongs to, or just generally winds them up with their wrong-headed logic.”
“In modern usage, it is used almost exclusively to refer to individuals with largely uncontrollable and thus potentially destructive behavior, but it can also be proudly self-descriptive.”

Excerpted from Wikipedia, [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_cannon ]

Surely Don, even you would have to admit that the above quotes clearly describe your behaviour on this website? Surely.

So that’s my beef with you. Your constant hard-to-read stream-of-consciousness posting, your regular incorrect allegations about other people, your decision to threaten another poster with violence ... all of those things cheapen and endanger the reputation of everyone else who is against the pulp mill. If I didn’t know better, I’d actually say that you are a very clever pro-pulp mill person, trying to waste anti-mill types time, energy and resources. Not to mention clogging up their favoured weblog with vitriolic and unnecessary comments.

Regards,
Jason Lovell

Did I say #31 in #33 - well, I meant #28 really - too many overbearing posts from d.d, I think. Obviously.
Whoops, but understandable given his sheer volume. I reckon, anyway :)

Regards
Jason Lovell

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    Well let me see, Linz has stated that you are indeed a “Jason Lovell” !  however your style of writing is so very like your “master’s” that I can hardly tell the difference, so you just give him a big wet kiss.

    As for my statement regarding violence, to which I abhor as a general rule, they were in regards to remarks made to Kim on Post 18 by the arse wipe calling himself D.Boone ! who is non existent ! and seeing as you NOW cry wolf ! after having not been on site for a considerable time I have to consider if it was you who made those disgusting remarks which I figured were so offensive , and in fact I was nonplussed as to why Linz saw fit for them to pass muster as they certainly were beyond the pale.

  As for the statement that so offends thee, it applies to whomever it was !  anytime , anyplace. and as for you “lovelace” i’m gunna do a bonham on you and place you on ignore !
                   
                      d.d.

Further to my comments regarding Lovell and Bonham ! is it not beyond the realms of possibility that Linz is being conned, for instance very few posters use the prefix # # # # # # # # quite in the same way as does bonham , so perhaps lovell in his
desire to ingratiate himself to his bonny lad’s favour, is why he emulates his style.

                    d.d.

On several occasions i have made comment as to certain comments made of a personal nature to others! as not in the spirit of the T.T charter, and now we have “Kim Peart” who virtually started this thread as disappearing ! and that is not forgivable .

    I personally had issue with some of her post’s ,however she was entitled to her opinion and I personally quite enjoyed debating that which she put forward, but of course that thread came to an abrupt end , due to someone’s cowardly attacks upon her, personally I hope she makes a reappearance, as scientific endeavour! and the human condition ! are some of my favourite subjects.

                    d.d.

Re#27 - I thought everyone had forgotten me. Thanks Don, I feel wanted and special again. And yes, I do tend to follow Bonham’s comments as they tend to be the ONLY set of sane contributions I find on TT. I warned about the transformation of TT to a cultural and intellectual monoculture, and so there are only a small percentage of contributions I now read (but still good for a chuckle).

Keep up the rants Don, I need a laugh now and then. But please lay off acts of physical violence - it is not a good look.

Greetings too to Jason L, and old and honest sparring partner, I hope you are doing well.

Dear Don,

Kim is alive and well in her new home Queensland; I’d dare say she has other things on her mind (settle in, find a job,look around and make her next decision as to where to live).

So she is not ‘lost’ to the forum, but one might suggest, getting re-establised. For what it’s worth, Kim and I have conversed off-forum with some detailed exchanges ... off-forum by her instigation and my wishing to be more pro-active in my articulation.

I understand your anger; you are most probably a insignificant person like the rest of us and unable or unwilling to make a stance, so just give to anyone and everyone with bravado ...

Personally I believe you’re just P&W (piss and wind) making threats that you would otherwise keep to yourself if faced with some of the posters ... both from fear of retribution and shame-faced, picking on those less able to fight with you.

So by all means get angry, but direct it against the people who deserve it or as Jason suggest, maybe your job function on this forum is to waste peoples time, energy and focus.

I exist; http://www.energyefficienthomedesign.com.au and am who I say I am, so don’t pick on other people and rant and rave ... pick your opponent and then focus your energies accordingly ...

Daniel Boon

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    Unlike you boon ! I don’t hide behind a nom de plume , as do you ! my phone no ,address, etc is available for all to see ! so picking a “Kosher” opponent is nigh on impossible !

                    d.d.

ddd (dear dickhead don),
Its my real name you tosser ...
I don’t see your phone # etc anywhere; I told you before, I’m in Qld so its easy for you to make out your tough ... stop reading your own PR and leave it alone, it will fall off when its ripe (tosser) ...